"A guide to understanding rude Parisians "

topic posted Thu, January 4, 2007 - 7:47 PM by  nicole m
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070...tourism1_dc

Thu Jan 4, 11:35 AM ET

PARIS (Reuters) - You don't need to speak French to understand the Parisians. You just need to know how to gesture.

Or so claims a new guide issued by French tourism officials to help foreign tourists understand Parisians with a list of commonly used gestures with meanings like "shut up."

"Blend in by using them the next time you're in Paris. People will start mistaking you for a native in no time," says the online guide issued by the Ile-de-France regional committee of tourism at www.cestsoparis.com.

The city's famously rude inhabitants have long been a headache for tourism authorities who have made repeated attempts to persuade Parisians to be more friendly to foreign visitors.

The latest campaign appears to cede to the notion that if you can't beat them, join them.

Its part English-language website promises to show people "How to Cop the Parisian Attitude" with games to help them learn commonly employed gestures.

These range from the quintessential "Bof," a non-committal shrug used to deny knowledge or agreement, to "Camembert," when the thumb and forefinger are brought together into a circle to tell someone to shut up.

"You don't need to speak French to understand Parisians or to blend into the crowd," the website says.

"Stick out your lower lip. Raise your eyebrows and shoulders simultaneously."

The guide is linked to an advertising campaign in London that hopes "to show that Paris isn't a stuffy museum city."

And just in case it is taken too literally, it also includes a cautionary note suggesting that visitors may see some even ruder Parisian expressions if they use the gestures too freely.
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nicole m
Philadelphia
  • Re: "A guide to understanding rude Parisians "

    Fri, January 5, 2007 - 8:33 AM
    That's pretty interesting. There are all kinds of body gestures used in every culture that help in communication. In fact, I've had a French professor who spent time on slang and gestures in class.

    Sometimes I wonder if Parisians are really as rude as they are accused of being. I think in the end it is more of a misunderstanding of the culture. Perhaps these kinds of guides will help the non-French speakers feel a little more comfortable, eventhough they propogate the stereotype that the French are rude w/o reason.
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      Fri, January 5, 2007 - 10:48 AM
      Yeah - I have issues with that whole stereotype. It's unfortunate, but I did think this article might be of interest to people in here.

      As for the stereotype itself, it gets on my nerves, ESPECIALLY when it's applied to the entire country. I mean, COME ON! It's a major city. Go up to anyone in any major city and start talking to them in a language that is not their own. Make no effort to speak to them in their own language. Interrupt them from whatever it was they were in the middle of rushing to do. How friendly and warm a response are you likely to get in New York? Probably no different than what you'd get in Paris. And who would judge the entire USA by the behavior of those in NYC? Ugh.
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        Fri, January 5, 2007 - 12:51 PM
        I think I'll have to agree with you guys.
        I am a French native but I think the big thing is that what most Americans consider rude is just being honest for us, what I mean is in France we won't hide much of what we think at the time, we can be polite but not necessarily what we would call hypocrit, it's a cultural thing again, but we think you are hypocrits and you think we are rude just because we don't communicate the same way...
        We are very very different...
        That's all...but it's not easy to get out of your own culture and understand an other even if you try, so imagine when you don't...
        ;)
        Story.
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          Fri, January 5, 2007 - 1:10 PM
          That's what a friend of mine explained to me. Americans smile at one another to show politeness, whereas for most French smiling all the time is a sign of being a "simple mind" or that you are trying to initiate some sort of interchange.

          It is difficult to understand other cultures, the thing is, I honestly don't feel that the French and the Americans are THAT different, but the everlooming stereotypes get in the way. Plus the U.S. really needs to initiate better foreign language instruction at the elementary level... but that's a whole other issue altogether. ;o)

          But yeah... the guide probably is helpful to the average non-French speaking tourists (American and otherwise).
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            Fri, January 5, 2007 - 11:00 PM
            I've been living in the US for only 5 years but I do find French and Americans are very different Theresa...
            I've read somewhere French and Japanese for instance are much closer than French and Americans or French and Germans, although, when I meet Europeans here in the US we feel much alike, if I would be in France I wouldn't think so but that's the "beauty" of it, so interesting...
            Anyway, there's a very interesting website about how to understand the French...very accurate...not just on the French side, just giving clues on how to understand "us" and not feeling we are just rude all the time...
            www.understandfrance.org/
            ;)
            Story.
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              Sun, January 7, 2007 - 7:29 PM
              Are we very different (U.S. & French)? Ah well, I haven't too much experience. I just assume that on the very basic levels we are all human and have similarities that can be relatable if given the chance. Or, at least, I'd like to think that we shared more similarities. ;o)
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                Mon, January 8, 2007 - 10:16 PM
                My first visit to Paris years ago made me think they were rude....but now I have so changed my opinion. The internet has really opened my eyes. I've made French email pals with a few Parisians and communicating over time I have really grown to love the culture. No, it is not the US, but why should it be. I think it has really take conversing in the language over a period of time to understand...and they seem so willing to share and explain their culture. The language is so much more focused on abstractions and aesthetics....it is so.......how shall I say it.....uh, French

                anyways, a good book to guide you--Almost French by Sarah Turnbull. Let me know if you are interested in French penpals.
      • Re: "A guide to understanding rude Parisians "

        Sat, January 20, 2007 - 12:32 PM
        "How friendly and warm a response are you likely to get in New York? Probably no different than what you'd get in Paris. And who would judge the entire USA by the behavior of those in NYC? Ugh."

        Try to get out more, Nicole.

        If you ever read some travel magazines (it's obvious you never visit my hometown), you would see, for example, that New York City consistently comes in at First Place in the Conde Nast Traveler magazine ratings of city friendliest to tourists. This is tested by having reporters pose as tourists doing such things as asking for directions, change, etc.

        Off to Indianapolis for you!

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          Thu, February 1, 2007 - 12:41 PM
          If you ever read some travel magazines (it's obvious you never visit my hometown), you would see, for example, that New York City consistently comes in at First Place in the Conde Nast Traveler magazine ratings of city friendliest to tourists.
          --
          not sure who puts CNtravelr together, but they don't know thier ars from thier head in my experience. NYkers can be amazingly rude. Not those from other parts of the world, surfing in the bubbling city of life that is NY International, but the Americans like yourself, who think they are better than anyone who comes there; that they shouldn't have to be bothered with dealing with accents in business; that all things should be available to them at all times on demand, without accountability, and that if you are in their way, you are too simplistic for your own good, and should learn to get off the sidewalk at rush hour, and dear god would you put that f*cking camera away or i'll put it away for you.


          French, on the other hand, at least bother to understand that 99% of their money comes from the tourist shops lining the Champs.
    • Re: "A guide to understanding rude Parisians "

      Fri, June 29, 2007 - 7:54 AM
      It's a huge sterotype, i think.

      I've lived there, married me one of them there "parisians" ;-) and everyone i've ever meet was friendly, helpful, etc.

      they don't smile at strangers - but that's just a cultural thing. New Yorker's don't do it, either.

      and by teh way, having not spend too much time in NY, i have to say the small amount of time i spent (flight delyas or stop overs), i found ny-ers to be very rude as a city.

      guess it's all persepctive
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    Re: "A guide to understanding rude Parisians "

    Sat, January 20, 2007 - 2:37 AM
    Hello, I'm new on this tribe. I'm French and I live in Lille, in the Northern part of France.
    Maybe this will help you to feel better, but Parisians are considered rude by French people also, well these who live outside Paris.
    I like Paris only for short trips, but I wouldn't live there. There's too much stress, too many people, too much unhappiness, despite the sparkling beautiful side that Paris has, from the cultural point of view.
    I can't say that Parisians are all bad, I remember I got lost in the metro, and people helped me, and I was pretty surprised I must say...
    I guess it's hard to live in this tough city and to keep on being proud of it at the same time.

    I also can't say that all the people outside Paris are nice.
    Overhere in the North, they're pretty friendly, it's a cultural local thing, to be open and ready to help in case. In the South of France, near the Cote d'Azur, uh some are very impulsive, coleric and vulgar. If you're not fast enough for them, they'd run over you...
    In the East, people are less open, like in Burgundy. They're kind of cautious, so don't expect any expressive reaction from them. No, take your time with them.
    Of course all this is a general impression.

    About the American way, I have to say that I got really surprised and kind of embarassed during my first visit to the USA, by the way that Americans keep on having these big large smiles and being so enthusiastic and expressive while there's no reason to be, well for a French point of view. ;) These expressions looked over exaggerated for me and therefore I felt like they were fake.
    After a while I got used to it, and this didn't bother me.

    I agree with the person up there who wrote that there are some big differences in expressing feelings between French and American people. Still it doesn't mean we can't understand each other, on the opposite. :-)
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      Sat, January 20, 2007 - 10:27 AM
      Salut Luoti !
      Merci pour cette tres bonne analyse !
      It's true, Parisians are seen from other French to be rude...
      I live in Santa Cruz in California and it is the same here with most local people talking about New Yorkers...
      I heard many times Lille is pretty interesting and I know by having some friends up there and around that area that people are pretty friendly in your area, some people say it's due to "colder" weather, well maybe and there must be some more but you know I lived in Paris for 14 years coming from the wine country above Lyon and if you don't run you might miss you subway that then will take you late to your RER...it's silly but Parisians have lots of stressing things that are daily life to them, put anyone in a big cage (even as Beautiful as Paris) and you'll see how stressed they get...in fact, most Parisians don't "see" Paris much, if they don't take the bus like I had the chance or would chose to do a lot, they spend their "life" underground in the subway network and in their buildings...
      Now that's a general situation but it might be the most common...
      I agree people in the wine countries are usually a little cold...
      Bordeaux has a bad reputation as well, my Mom is from there and she wouldn't go back...
      Bordeaux has a special status though cause it has that kind of Bourgoisie status due to its wine quality (well there are so many great wines in other areas in France as well, but anyway).
      I think if we take the time and look more we can "understand" why people are the way we are.
      But truth is people or we do not always have or take the time...
      Like you said "Still it doesn't mean we can't understand each other, on the opposite. :-)"
      Very true!
      I am getting used to Americans's big smile and the thing is I am a bit like that myself, I am most of it happy and smile a lot naturally (Gemini!! haha can't help it) but I sometimes "miss" the outspoken way French people have, but hey, I moved over here!
      And I am still lucky here cause it's an area of activits and such so it's not lilke people are sheep and everything, people here are very progressive and think outside the box so much.
      Thanks for your input Luoti.
      Une bonne soiree sur Lille !
      Sandrine.
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        Sat, January 20, 2007 - 11:24 AM
        Merci :)
        I live in Lille right now, but used to live in Dijon, another wine country, in Poitiers too. I also know Bordeaux, beautiful city with snobbish bourgeoisie indeed. Hum Bordeaux is also a rich town because of the port/haven and because of the trades done there.
        I'd say that Lille and the North are friendly not because of the colder weather (it's close to the Paris one, and less cold than in the East) but mostly because it has been for a long time an industrial area, with lots of factories (wool factories) and lots of poor workers, and solidarity meant something at this time. I guess this spirit remained. These people are hard-workers but love to party in their free times, they love to get wild, I guess that's why they're so warm and nice, because you can soon become another friend to party with, and to work with aswell :)

        Well bon après-midi in Santa Cruz Sandrine, hope you have some sun there! :)
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          Sat, January 20, 2007 - 11:35 AM
          Oh I see, good clarification about Lille and it's inhabitants.
          See even French do not know and do not understand their own people sometimes, in fact, most of the time...
          Hehehe,
          Yep I'm having a blast here!
          People know about food here, it's an agriculture area so they know good produce (right now it's a tragedy with the cold weather).
          I have the farmers market one block away from where I live and people are so friendly and opened...
          I'm lucky.
          I don't surfe but enjoy watching it a lot.
          Anyway, fun place to be for now.
          A bientot,
          Sandrine.
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      Thu, February 1, 2007 - 12:43 PM
      There's too much stress, too many people, too much unhappiness, despite the sparkling beautiful side that Paris has, from the cultural point of view.
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      Amen. It's not about "paris", i think, but about "urban" and in teh case of Tokyo, NY, LA, Paris, etc., "extreme urban".

      On the other hand, when you can sit back and have good chocolate and bread before work, it does make the day go a bit better than when all you can find are "krispy kremes". :-)
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        Thu, February 1, 2007 - 1:10 PM
        Kip, try to make chocolate croissants and croissants yourself, it's work but very satisfying, who knows, you might make very good ones!!!
        I'm lucky to have the best here in town, incredible, but when I first move in the US I used to bake them myself, I couldn't find any around and just for the heck of it I would make some from time to time, that was fun, demanding but I am demanding in the kitchen anyway...
        Enjoy!!!
        Let us know if you do hee hee
        People, if you ever get to Santa Cruz and want the best chocolate croissants, croissants OR brioches go the to the Buttery!!!!
        It's like entering an up scale French bakery, incredible!
        Amen!!!!! haha
        Sandrine.
  • Re: "A guide to understanding rude Parisians "

    Mon, February 19, 2007 - 2:17 AM
    So I just came back from Paris. Hmmm... Really tried to find the rude Parisians, but most people I was dealing with were très sympa.
    Even the taxi drivers were friendly and said Merci a dozen times.

    That's not to say that I did *understand* everything they said. There are some very Paris-specific expressions that I learned...
    • Re: "A guide to understanding rude Parisians "

      Fri, June 15, 2007 - 4:29 PM
      I like French people, practicing the language on my travels to Canada and prefer the french rudeness upfront, if thats what you want to call it. I appreciate the love for the Parisian culture. I was born and raised in NYC and coming from a hispanic background in New York, we tend to appreciate the diversity of different backgrounds which would include the so-called rude maneuirsm, something the average caucasian New Yorker will find arrogant and judge with a punch in the face. So, who's really rude?
  • Re: "A guide to understanding rude Parisians "

    Tue, December 18, 2007 - 10:41 AM
    Bordeaux has a bad reputation, and I must admit that it is sometimes justified. But I do not agree with the "bourgeoisie" stereotype: of course it exists in Bordeaux, but like in every other cities. OK, there are some common points with Paris, that's probably why we call Bordeaux "le petit Paris": architecture, etc..

    But I'm from Bordeaux, and I lived in Paris for 5 years, have been in London, Nantes and other cities, and you know what? There are friendly and unfriendly people in all of them. Wow, is it surprising?! ;o)

    Honestly, the mood in Bordeaux tends to change: it's now a "student city", and it "moves" much much more. Of course, there's a bourgeoisie, but they are in minority and do not forget those of us who live in the suburbs, the growing number of students coming from everywhere...!
    The "bordelais" have become more open-minded, even though, I must admit, there is still work on the attitude, but it is cultural: like a majority of French people and maybe European people, we do not smile to strangers, smiling all the time would make people consider you as a weirdo. But once you "have broke the ice" (French expression which I do not know the english equivalent! lol), we are then generally very friendly, as everyone can be! ^ ^

    Have a nice day!